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Kevin Horek: Welcome back to the show today. We have Supreme redu. She's the co-founder at one rare Supreme. Welcome to the show.

Supreet Raju: Thank you so much for having me, Kevin.

Kevin Horek: Yeah, I'm excited to have you on the show. I think what you guys are doing at one rare is actually really innovative and cool, but maybe before we get into that, let's get to know you better and start off with where you grew up.

Supreet Raju: I grew up in new Delhi, India. My folks were there and were kind of based in the city all my life re recently moved to the white, but yeah, my whole childhood, my schooling, my college has been in new Delhi, India.

Kevin Horek: Very cool. So you went to university. What did you take and why?

Supreet Raju: Actually I'm a designer. I wanted to be a designer since I was in class fourth and it was a very clear cut choice for me that I wanted to go to the most premier fashion Institute india, which is called miffed. I kind of knew that since I was 10 years old. For me, the kind of, what will I do in life? Part was quite sorted out early till I reached college and realized that I do not want to be a fashion designer anymore. I think the entire trauma, or do I want to do with my life kicked in pretty late for me. I realized that maybe that is not my forte. I marched on and actually grew into becoming an exhibition and space designer because I really enjoyed the concept of how a space can talk to people, without any verbal dialogue, what can a space, what can an experience bring to people and kind of bit back all the way to the pandemic and then everything of course shut down.

Supreet Raju: That's when I kind of started thinking about my next step, basically.

Kevin Horek: Okay. Walk us through your career up until coming up with the idea for one rare and maybe work our work in how you actually met your co-founder who's now your husband.

Supreet Raju: Perfect. So, yeah, so like I said, when I started my career, I think the interesting part about getting a design degree is that it doesn't teach you only what your particular specialization is meant to be. What any design college actually teaches you is the formation of a good design. What is the foundation, how to ideate in any category? I think though I did major in textile design. My college taught me a lot more than that. It taught me the basics of being able to probably what I call fake it till I make it in degree of design and kind of, dabble in all these categories. That's pretty much what I was doing since 2010 when I passed out of college. For the whole decade, I tried out everything. I tried to make websites. I tried to design spaces, like I said, I did exhibitions all across the world.

Supreet Raju: I helped textile designers and I also started teaching at my Alma mater. I just felt like design doesn't need to be limited to one thing. For me, any creative opportunity that came up, I would take it. That kind of was the way I was kind of going along life. Bill, I swiped right on Tinder and met my now husband. We met in 2014 and that kind of, kick-started a whole world of travel for us, which actually made me discover a whole new concept of remote working because were traveling so much, I wanted a career that would be possible to run out of any beach or any mountain across the world. And that was kind of the path. I feel that set the foundation of who I am today. Were kind of traveling and moving around within six months after our wedding as well. Back really taught me a lot about how the world, thank you, how the world perceives design, how different people use design as a language to talk to their audiences.

Supreet Raju: We were in places where we did not know the local language and yet the designer's tactic, the communication came through good design. That was pretty much it still got us. My husband actually entered the blockchain industry in 2017 and now I will openly admit that I was the absolute blockchain illiterate. I think I used to hate sitting in a room and listening to people converse about the blockchain. I would not understand it. The terms were technical and it seemed like it was a conscious effort to make an outsider sound stupid. Like it's like you open up an article about blockchain and the jargon filled inside. That just makes you close the article. Nobody wants to read it.

Kevin Horek: So totally a hundred percent agree.

Supreet Raju: So, I mean, that was me. That was me for sure. And I stayed away. I would just ignore all the advice given to me. A lot of people got of course was really active in the industry. So, all the people who came up to him to ask about investments and how crypto is multiplying and I'm like, oh, keep me out of it. Bill NFS came into my life and the first time God showed me a crypto punk. I think everybody, I am familiar with crypto punks. Yeah. Okay, Perfect. So, yeah, as I was saying, crypto is essentially probably the first NFV the OGN Ft. I would say that kind of made people take notice it wasn't the first NFP ever minted, but it was the NFT that really defined the whole industry. I mean to again, to take that a step backwards and NFD is essentially any digital assets, anything that we have in our phones today, it would be a piece of music.

Supreet Raju: It could be a document, it would be a photo. Anything that we have in our phone today, if we go and record it onto the blockchain, it becomes an NFP. Whenever you read that word around you and you think about, oh, what is it? And how is it made? Just think of it like any simple digital assets, the way you go store it in a computer hard drive folder or in your pen drive in the same way. If you go and log that onto the blockchain, it becomes an NFP. Coming back to the crypto punk story, the first time I saw crypto punk, of course I was shown it because it had been amassed for millions of dollars and that sort everybody was talking about. What I saw as a designer was the fact that this is so cool. Somebody actually has got bitmap art, which is what crypto punk is defined by 32 pixels and actually kind of revive this whole pixel design style.

Supreet Raju: That was actually, I mean, it's a very, I think I was probably one in the million people who will see it like that, but that's what I saw. I genuinely thought that in this world where designs are getting more and more hyper-realistic digital printing and, everything is just going so many steps forward. Crypto funds had that nostalgia. It was the old school style of, bitmap and paint software that we used to have as kids. And I loved that. That's when I looked at God and I said, okay, now there is a bit of creativity on the blockchain. I think I want to figure out what I want to do now. I started thinking, and that's actually when the idea of one came up, which is where we are today.

Kevin Horek: Okay. Walk us through, coming up with the idea and then let's dive into what one rare is.

Supreet Raju: We basically got the idea one absolutely random January evening in 2021, I was aghast about how expensive and the fees were and the kind of value being attached to them. I distinctly remember telling God that this feels like GI Joe land. It feels a little like there are all these men with pockets full of crypto and there is not enough applicability to it. They will go buy anything for any amount, right. Just to find a use case for their crypto. So I was like, okay. If this is other market is going, I can come up with something and I can kind of get a hook into this as well. I can entertain the crypto audiences. That's what I told him that, food it's, the idea should be food because when were traveling, the strongest memories I have of my travels are food. Whether it's been eating a pad Thai in Thailand, whether it's been eating a Casado in Costa Rica, it's always been food that has spoken to us through various cultures and state of memory with us.

Supreet Raju: I kind of told him that why don't we do NFPS around food and in the same way that we make food at home, let's get people to collect all the ingredients that you need to actually make a dish. If somebody wants to make the French fry NFT, let them go collect potato, cooking, oil and salt. Once they had these three ingredients, they should be able to make the NFP. That was a very simple idea that I kind of came up with and wanted to execute. And that was Jen last year. Since then, we kind of just have been growing. The idea started working on it. It was a bit of a side project for us that we started growing. I think we just somehow got the right wave, the right momentum. We got so much support from angels investors, our community. We actually ended up being the first project related to food on the blockchain.

Supreet Raju: We are now creating the world's first food metaphors that basically allows us to bring all the global food and beverage companies onto web three. For the first time we have three being blockchain and that's now what we're building.

Kevin Horek: Okay. Before we dive deeper into that, I just want to step back cause you mentioned a bunch of kind of new terms. I think some people maybe heard of, so do you want to talk about what is the metaverse, what is web and then how does that tie into the blockchain and NFTs? Let's dive deeper into one word.

Supreet Raju: Perfect. Really nice to ask that. I think it's a very important step. Like I said, at its most basic value to understand the first step, like you said, what is web three? It is just a new iteration of the internet. The world we live in today and the kind of apps we use, all of that is called web two. Somebody says web three, essentially what they're referring to is all that is being built on the blockchain right now, coming to the blockchain part of it. Blockchain is essentially a ledger. It's a record the most public record. You can never find in the history of mankind wherein anybody who does anything can be visible to a third person. Now that does not mean your privacy is compromised. What that basically means is that all transactions, whether they are attached to a name or not anything that is recorded there, anything that happens if I send you $10, if you send me an NFP artwork, anything that happens is simply recorded on this blockchain.

Supreet Raju: Right? I compare that to a very simple example. I call it building a city, right? In the world of this new internet, there are different cities. There's a city called Solana. There's a city called polygon. There's a city called banana smart chain. There are all these little cities being built by techies. In each city you have to then of course follow the rules of that city, follow the regulations of that city and build according to that. We look at the blockchain, there are all these kinds of cities rising. In our case, for example, we are building on polygon. We have to kind of follow the rules of this new city. We are building it. We have to make sure that, okay, our currency should work as for the city, our games should work as per the city. All the compliance that we need to do is related to that chain going a step forward.

Supreet Raju: If these like a set are, instead of, the crypto part, I think everybody understands the foster. I wouldn't go too deep into that. Everybody knows what the currency is, but, and if these are basically assets, the same way we have them in our lives, we have currency and then we have assets like the Mona Lisa painting artwork, or, we have a Lamborghini or all the fancy things we have in our lives, or even the basic ones are physical assets. And in the same way. If these are basically digital assets that we have, it could be a ticket to a show. It could be a membership loyalty card. It could be a piece of art. Like I said, it could be a game token, which allows you to play a game because you own it. All of these can be used as NFTs. What comes with the metaverse is the use case of NFTs.

Supreet Raju: We've been talking about all these things, right? That all the city is being built. We are talking about, oh, there's money to be made here. There's a cryptocurrency. There are these assets. What do we do with all these things? We have these various tools, but where does it truly apply? The answer to that is the metaphors. The metaphors is basically a virtual world where people can exist. People can work, people can have any digital interaction with each other. Let's say, maybe three years down the line, you and I could be hanging out in a virtual met hours over coffee and having this interview rather than an a podcast mode. Essentially creating a better virtual experience for users. I think people have of course heard a lot about metaverse once Facebook came out with the whole metric branding and that's all they know of it, but I would just like to say two particular things here.

Supreet Raju: First Facebook's vision of the metaverse is not going to be the only thing that comes out. Yes. Facebook is a company that is working with it, but there are a lot of people who have been working on it since before that. The future of the metaphors is actually going to be a very interesting tech plan. There will be many metaverses the matter was not thing it's multiple. The second that right now, if you do not understand anything that I just said, just understand one simple thing for the next few years. The matter worse is essentially going to be your social media in 3d. That's what it's going to be. All, all the things, all the interactions you have in your apps right now, whether it is to order food, whether it's Instagram or Tik TOK, all of these apps, all of these interactions you have with people is what the metaverse is going to be about.

Supreet Raju: Only changes from 2d to 3d.

Kevin Horek: No, I, I, that's a really good description of it. How does that all play into what you guys are doing at one rare?

Supreet Raju: One red is actually the world's first food metaverse we call it the food worst. What we're trying to do is that we are trying to create exclusive and a special place for foodies and food industry brands. When we started, like I said, were creating a very small NSP project. I think because then if these are such a buzzword, we started getting contacted by chefs and restaurants who wanted us to also help them bring their NFS to life. So we said, okay, let's do this. That instead of it being French fries that come from one red, let's have them, chef X's French fries, give, attribute the chef for that recipe or that particular dish. Let's kind of start bringing up their NFTs. As went along, the word Mecca came up and then the chefs started wondering what happens to their virtual experience and what they can do further.

Supreet Raju: At this point of time, one red is essentially the world's first food worst, which is going to have many different zones, all inspired by food and all for foodies, you would be able to come in and see a celebrity chef cook. You would be able to come in and maybe see a cooking competition like master chef. You would be able to come and visit, watch will restaurants, order food online, as well as have a gaming zone where you can come and game with your NFTs play and also earn on the site. The purpose of this food wars again, to reiterate is we, when anybody says that the matter was should replace real life, I completely disagree with that. I think it's a absolutely dystopian thing to say, and nobody should be stuck behind their gadgets the whole day, what the matter was is doing and what our food was instead to do is just improve the experience you have right now, if you're spending six hours with your gadgets today, we look to improve your experience in those six hours.

Supreet Raju: The purpose of the food worse is to kind of unite foodies virtually, and then allow these businesses to thrive because people would be able to bring their NFPS to the real world and swap them for real meals. Let's say you came into one red and you made a pepperoni pizza. If the, you would be able to go to a real restaurant and claim a real pizza with that. The idea is to help the global food industry actually reach out to more people, find new audiences, find new ways to monetize as well, because obviously the pandemic was hard for them and create the next big platform for food.

Kevin Horek: Okay. Interesting. You just mentioned something that I want to dive deeper on, so I can be in one rare in the metaverse and using NFTs, and then I could physically go to that restaurant, but could you go the other way where I'm, watching a chef cook a meal and then, through one of those food delivery services, that meal actually shows up at my house. Like, is that okay?

Supreet Raju: Yeah. I think the beautiful part of our being the first to market as a food works is that we grow with every idea that is pitched to us, everyday. The chef comes up with a new idea. There's something they want to experiment with. Our forte is the technology, our four days the design, the tech, everything they need in terms of blockchain, support chefs, and, people who make food are actually artists in their own. Right. They're so creative. They're so passionate. It comes across in the cook, in the play thing. We largely actually encourage the chefs to think for themselves and whatever is an idea. They want to execute we're here for it.

Kevin Horek: Okay. Got it. Just even on your main site, so I, I get that people can create their own recipes and whatnot, and that makes sense, but how does shopping work for something like a farmer's market where yes, it's food related, but like, I want to buy my produce or something. How does that work?

Supreet Raju: Right now, what we launch in our first phase is the gaming lit where in is the farmer's market that you just saw. What we have in this particular phase is a four-part gaming zone. We have the farmer's market kitchen and the playground. It's kind of each space is tied into each other. I'll just try to really simplify and explain it. You can start at the farm where you basically stake some token to actually own ingredient reports. Now I'll break that down into something, a little simpler in blockchain. There's a very common term called staking. Staking essentially is like going to the bank and creating a fixed deposit. I'm sure your audiences might be familiar with that. What that basically does is it locks away your money for a certain amount of time. The bank promises you some interest for it, right? There's a reward for actually locking away your money, not making the economy.

Supreet Raju: So validate. That in a different form is staking in blockchain. When you stick a token, that means you've locked it away. And then you get rewarded for that. In our farm, when you lock away this token, you get rewarded with ingredients. You can get, for locking away your token, you can be rewarded with tomatoes, potatoes, onions, and so on. So now you have all these ingredients. What do you do next? You have two options. You can either go to the farmer's market and sell them, which can get you more money. Or you can go to the kitchen and cook up the recipes like we mentioned. So, as you rightly said, the farmer's market is a place of trade it's where people can come sell their NFTs. Shoppers can come and buy NFTs. If I'm short, I want to make a pepperoni pizza and I need to get cheese for it ASAP.

Supreet Raju: I should go to the farmer's market and get that. You can go to our kitchen, check out the recipes there that tell you what ingredients are needed, how many of each is needed. Once you have everything in your wallet, you can basically cook up the dish NFT. That would give you the actual dish NFV as we go along, we are going to be introducing ingredient brands as well. Brands from the U S brands from Europe, India, Australia, they would actually be listing their ingredients as well for the game play. Then, yeah, as we go along, maybe you can take that particular salt NFE and swap it for a real salt in the grocery store as well.

Kevin Horek: Interesting. Okay. So how can people try this out? Or when is this going to be available to people.

Supreet Raju: It's actually going live today? It's actually a really good day for us to get started on it is going live. I will share the link with you as well. We are basically opening up the test net first, again, something a little blockchaining. So I'll break that down. What happens in blockchain is that you have to go through a string of third party audits, audit that basically make your game safe because there is financial transaction and more because there are, wallets at stake and we would like to ensure safety. What we basically do is that everything that we have coded till now our entire code for making the game goes through an audit process. So we've actually just completed our audit. What we release now is a test net. It's kind of a testing phase, which will last about three weeks where people can come in, they can play out the game.

Supreet Raju: It costs them nothing at all, but it's basically a process to find out more bugs or any issues of there are. After that, we go to the main net, which is when everything will actually start working real money, real NFTs would be involved. Yeah, I'll be more than happy to share the link with you as well as with your audience. They're more than welcome to come and try it out.

Kevin Horek: No, that's awesome. And congrats on the launch. Thank you so.

Supreet Raju: Much. Thank you.

Kevin Horek: I want to step back . You mentioned this was a side project. How did you and you guys got a bunch of publicity and then obviously decided to go full-time into this. How did you make transition? When did you should go from a part-time thing to a full-time thing? Cause I think that can be really challenging for people sometimes.

Supreet Raju: Yeah. In a very strange coincidence, whatever, and I actually have never had a job in our lives where were for a couple, but we both have just worked for ourselves and, worked on a project basis as consultants. Were doing this, I was actually running an ad tech platform because like I told you, I was an exhibition designer, full fledged, be involved in that. The world of doubt, and that kind of put me back at home, shut down the exhibition industry and how, and I suddenly needed a new way to keep myself busy, to earn, to kind of, have my next big vision in life. At the time when I came up with I is actually running an ad tech platform for the home textile industry and it was tough. I wouldn't lie when you're actually trying to run two startups. You keep wondering about, not being the idiot who leaves the right one.

Supreet Raju: So, but Gordon had faith in this startup. He also had another thing going at that point, but I think he sensed the future definitely before me. After a lot of coaxing, I think women tend to be slower at this risk-taking mechanism. He made me shut my EdTech platform down and jump into this. I think when we gave our first investor, which babbles the moment, we both knew that this is much more serious than we ever realized. We had never raised money before for any of our ventures. I think the first, when the first check comes in or, the first nod comes in, it's just, it's a whole different feeling. At that point in time, we just realized that we're onto something and we'll just a step ahead at all points of time. That's the same thing happened again, the moment Facebook had announced metal, were already a food metaverse for two months at that point of time, we'd already announced our plan.

Supreet Raju: Yeah, I think it's just, we've been a bit lucky with one day that the thoughts of matched with our actions on time and that kind of really helped, like just seeing people smile every time they heard about our food story or, when we saw our graphics, it, the kind of positivity that came was it created that we know for us to take the risk, basically.

Kevin Horek: Not that's amazing. As a first time, founder raising money, what advice do you give to people? Because you've obviously successfully done that.

Supreet Raju: I think what people, I know it's very hard to follow, but don't accept any money that comes your way. I think a touch wood, we got that advice from our angels and we avoided that pitfall, but that's something that I would highly recommend value your project a little more than what the world is saying. If you're not getting the reaction you expected, then tweak your vision. You're not weak your deck. You, there's probably a gap in your communication. If your passion is not coming through. Work on your tech, but do not accept money that will not do anything for you later.

Kevin Horek: So, so what do you mean by that? Like if you're raising a million bucks, don't take 500,000 or what does that mean?

Supreet Raju: It means that if you're taking a million bucks, be a little choosy about who you take them from, me focus on angels. I think angels and founders are some of the best people to work with because they have their passion for their own projects. Their experience comes through the way they feel about, the market going up or down or, just their experiences help a lot. Like I think we worked foolproof and like a lot of people just adopted us as that literally couple that has come along here and me being a girl and a huge minority in this industry, people really kind of patted us up with Bulletproof jackets to protect us from all the bad experiences they've had.

Kevin Horek: Interesting. Okay. No, I think that's great that you found people to do that for you, for both of you.

Supreet Raju: Yeah. We were very lucky. I, I wouldn't lie. I think we did know some people to begin with because God had been in the industry since a while. I would not, say that, oh my God, we fought from the bottom and we made our way up. We did know a few people. Of course, nobody was, is going to give me a penny if I don't have a good concept. I know that. I, I also am thankful for the connections, got of hide meat and kind of support we had. I know it's hard. The first step is the hardest, the first person to convince as an investor or anybody to give you anything in life, frankly, there was this one quote that I, I don't know who it's from. I don't want to attribute it wrongly, but somebody had said that in your business, the first person to put in money will be a stranger.

Supreet Raju: The last person to put in money will be your family or friends, ? That holds true because strangers believe your story, your passion faster sometimes. Yeah, I think to anybody who's trying to raise money, develop that urgency and panic investors that if they miss your project, it's their loss. It's not your loss.

Kevin Horek: Yeah, no, that's really good advice. The other thing you mentioned too, that I think was really good advice is having a network and going to work in an industry and making connections before you go build your startup or build your startup on the side while you're working in the industry and gaining those connections to then go get money, a year, two, three years, five years, whatever down the road can be very beneficial.

Supreet Raju: Yeah. See, I think basically I honestly have not raised money in the traditional industry and I wouldn't want to comment on that, but when it comes to bet, three, it's extremely new. There are 20 year old founders here that are 45 year old founders here. There are people, from all over the world, working at the same time, a lot of people seem to take pride in the fact that this industry is open 24 7. Again, something I do not enjoy. Yeah, I mean, it's a very strange need developing new industry. I say network, what I essentially mean is that anybody can run away with money here and you have to explain to everybody as to why you will keep making your project when the going gets tough. When your audit fails, when your tech doesn't align, blockchain is one software where ideas sound so much better than the final execution.

Supreet Raju: I say network essentially just means kind of pushing proof or, validating that you're a genuine founder, you're here to build, you're not here because you heard that somebody raised 5 million and somebody raised 10 million. I think if you don't know anybody and networking is an issue for you build your product first, there are, this is something that people don't realize about blockchain, but for every hundred projects out there probably five or 10 have actually released their product. If you're confident that you have a good vision and you're having a little hard time kind of getting out to your audience, get your product out, have faith in that product because the moment your product is out or even your MVP is out. Trust me, you've crossed a whole lot of people.

Kevin Horek: No, I actually think that's really good advice. You both have closed and have some really big partnerships. How did you get some of those? Or what advice do you give to people that are looking for these partnerships?

Supreet Raju: I think when ever you do partnerships in blockchain, it's a very step by step process. Meaning this industry, people are very friendly with each other. They know, angels, no other angels, VC funds, no others. So it kind of triggers a chain. Once we, when went through our angel round, it triggered a chain of people. You talk to, they connect you to fall ball. And the same goes for BCS. If you're starting out new, the best thing you can do is slow down on the chain you want to build on. So, like I said, at the beginning, decide what city you want to build in. Decide what chain you want to build on. Try to go for a hackathon there, try to meet people from that chain, because that is a really great place to find early support. All the chains that we have today, whether it's Solano, polygon, so many new ones like harmony and all that coming up KCC is a huge one coming up.

Supreet Raju: They are all built. They have these forms to actually give to founders who want to build on that chain. If you're a new founder looking to get your first money in, I would highly recommend reaching out to these particular chains, trying to build, trying to talk to them about their initial fund. We started in Jan 21 because we got a grant from polygon to actually build at that point of time, polygon team was looking for new projects. Our first money in was actually a grant from polygon to make our MVP. That, kind of started things for us. If you want to network, then please attend any crypto conferences. You can a lot are happening right now. It's kind of the same, like revenge travel. People are organizing conferences in every corner of the world they possibly can. So go there interact with people. You might, you never know, who's the person next to you.

Supreet Raju: That could be a potential Angela investor for you. In our case, we kind of started with the few people we knew and that just kind of led to more and more people. Like I said, it's the first money in, that's a little hard after that. It kind of, if your concept is good, the angels, the VC is very willingly would connect you to more people.

Kevin Horek: No, I think that's really good advice. You mentioned something that I keep thinking about as we're having this conversation is your taking users and partners and chef feedback and building the platform along with your users. How do you decide what to actually action on and what to say? Maybe we'll do that down the road because you can really end up chasing your tail with that, especially in, web three and Mehta, like stuff that hasn't been built yet. Right. Or this is kind of very new, so there's no playbook, right?

Supreet Raju: Yeah. Yeah. I actually, I mean, by the grace of the technology, that frankly makes the decisions for us when it comes to blockchain, there is something called a smart contract, which is basically the code that people essentially, whatever they're building, that code is punched into something called a smart contract. It is a very restrictive piece of technology. What we can potentially build in terms of workability on the blockchain has its limitations today, of course, with the kind of tech talent that is coming into the industry. I, in one or two years, max, everything is going to change dramatically. The amount of apps, API software, everything available to kind of build will be dramatically different. At the moment, what we try to do is we're trying to go phase by phase. What we started with our first vision of being an NFP project, where people can make ingredient, collect ingredients, make that dish.

Supreet Raju: That is what we are launching right now. The next step then is to bring in the chef NFTs. The next step then is to create the virtual experiences. We tend to go as per the plan that we have created. Of course, people can have their own variation within that space, but we are not going to go back and forth up and down on it. We have a clear plan that the gaming zone comes out first followed by the virtual experiences.

Kevin Horek: Got it? No, that makes a lot of sense. For people that are looking to get into web three, the metaverse and all the stuff we talked about, what advice do you give to them? Because you said earlier on in the show and I a hundred percent agree with you when I was learning about it. It is so daunting and there's so many buzzwords that don't even make sense. Sometimes I would argue still don't make sense to me and I understand what's happening. Or I think I understand.

Supreet Raju: I actually called the crypto industry, the real estate moment of our generation. I think, all our parents, I dunno if it's true for your part of the world, but we saw this massive real estate boom in our older generation that, made people millionaires overnight and their money multiplied and our generation really doesn't know what to do with it. We're looking at, the blockchain for making millionaires out of all of us basically. Yeah, I think it, I, it is hard right now to, for someone to find a lot of articles, but I think journalists has started working on making simpler information available. There are now, bloggers, writers, even courses that really are trying to make things simpler. I think there are two key things people can do, try to read as much as they can in the area of their interest. Whether it's a lighter read or whether, it's something, a newsletter they follow.

Supreet Raju: For example, bank list is a really nice newsletter. It's a membership based one and I've read it for quite a long time. The second thing that they should do is actually try out these apps. For example, one read as launching now, or there are a bunch of other games as well, try it out till the point where you maybe don't need to punch money into it. You can just go around and freely explore it. Another point that I would like to mention here is that metaphors is not synonymous with a blockchain metal versus essentially a virtual world, right? It necessarily does not have to be blockchain linked. So tomorrow they might find metaverse experiences. For example, roadblocks, all the experiences they're building there, they're not blockchain, they're not web three, so you can still access them and go, and, kind of discover what a virtual world would look like.

Supreet Raju: The first, then there are blockchain ones like the central land or sandbox, which are blockchain associated. I think if you're interested in this field, there are lots of community support groups. Now, if you are interested in blockchain, make your telegram account, make your discard account. The whole industry operates on just those. Definitely don't go around looking for those groups on Facebook or Instagram, discord, and telegram other place to be for sure. Yeah, just check out the conferences, check out what people around you are saying. It makes for quite an interesting discussion.

Kevin Horek: The other thing too is because it's still very new, probably in most cities on the planet. There's probably not that many people in your local city doing it. Like there's probably maybe a few hundred. There might be in a big city, might be a few thousand, but if you go to just like a simple meet-up, you might meet the whole community in one or two months. If you go to like one or two meet up themselves.

Supreet Raju: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like I said, conferences are happening everywhere now. Even if you go to someone that somebody visiting, just a lot of people are now hosting events and what's going to some, if you're interested.

Kevin Horek: No, I, I think that makes a lot of sense. We're kind of coming to the end of the show, but how about we close with mentioning where people can actually go try out one rare and any other things you want to mention?

Supreet Raju: Yeah, so essentially our website is where the game is at right now. That's www one red.io. I'll hopefully give you the link to share somewhere in the podcast information as well. That's where the game would be played. We very active on Twitter, as well as telegram and discord. Like I mentioned, so people can feel free to pop in there and get the links or any information that they need. Yeah, that's pretty much where the game is at right now.

Kevin Horek: Perfect. Well, I really appreciate you taking the time out of your evening to be on the show and I look forward to catching up with you and actually trying out one rare.

Supreet Raju: Oh, I'm absolutely looking forward to that. Thank you so much for having me, Kevin.

Kevin Horek: Thank you. Bye.

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